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These two documentaries question the origin of the epidemic scale of
HIV/AIDS.
Controversial argumentation about a man created origin of aids, through the research and
'manipulation' of apes liver organic material to create the polio vaccine.


The Origin of
HIV Aids - The best documentary - Channel 4

From [Pepe Ramirez Youtube]:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeg9Bc8Doeo

"This film doesn't so much delve into the
'origin' of HIV / Aids but it very effectively explains a widely accepted and logical theory of how the virus
spread through polio vaccination programs .

Be sure to download this and re-upload to your own account using
clipconverter or a similar youtube downloader. I've seen this documentary get shut down 5 or 6 times already so we
need to keep it up for all to see!!!!"

And 

Origin of AIDS (2004) Documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRDsYqvrYgI


"Origin of AIDS: The Polio Vaccine
(CBC 'Witness', 2004)

Documentary about the hypothesis that HIV may have been caused by mass
vaccination against Polio, in Congo, between 1957 and 1960.
Directors: Peter Chappell, Catherine Peix Eyrolle (as
Catherine Peix)
Writers: Peter Chappell, Stéphane Horel
Stars: Cecil Fox, Simon Wain-Hobson, Joseph
Vandepitte | See full cast & crew »


Summaries
From the hyphotesis of
British journalist Edward Hoope, the film reopens the explosively controversial subject of the origins of AIDS, zeroing
in specifically on his fiercely contested proposition that the HIV virus was first transmitted to children in the
Belgian Congo via contaminated polio vaccine.

—Anonymous
Documentary about the hypothesis that
HIV may have been caused by mass vaccination against Polio, in Congo, between 1957 and 1960.

—[email protected]


On April 12, 1955 Jonas Salk's polio vaccine was first
licensed for public use in the U.S. In the years afterwards 90 million Americans were vaccinated in the largest mass
vaccination campaign ever. Polio virtually disappeared from the continent and Jonas Salk became a hero.

But
not long after, 260 children who were vaccinated with Salk's vaccine became sick. Eleven of them died. An
investigation showed that some lots of the vaccine were defective and confidence in it was shaken.

Two
scientific greats, Dr. Hilary Koprowski, director of the Wistar Institute in Philadelphia, and Dr. Albert Sabin, a
physician at the Cincinnati Children's Hospital, raced to replace the Salk vaccine. Dr. Cecil Fox, a pathologist at
the National Institute of Infectious Diseases remembers that it was an intense competition.

Both Sabin and
Koprowski's vaccines were derived from monkey organs. They needed to test them in large, non-immunized population
groups, no longer available in North America.

Sabin traveled to the U.S.S.R. and vaccinated more than 6
million people in Latvia, Estonia and Kazakhstan between 1958 and 1959. No AIDS cases emerged in the U.S.S.R. where
Sabin did his testing.

Koprowski moved his study to the Belgian Congo which had one of Africa's more
modern health care infrastructures at the time. Between 1956 and 1960 more then 1 million African people were
'encouraged' to receive Koprowski's vaccine called CHAT.

Sabin analyzed Koprowski's
vaccine in 1958 and found it be be 'unstable and contaminated by an unknown virus'. He told Koprowski about
his discovery and went then went public with his findings."



 10/10
Riveting...
geraldicus9 February 2005
To my mind, an additionally disturbing aspect of this deeply
enthralling 'theoretical' documentary was that I just caught it by chance at an obscure hour on one of the
more obscure, pseudo fringe channels, namely Sundance. Why this documentary is not considered worthy of prime-time
airing, allowing a far greater number of the population to see it and draw their own conclusions escapes me. But then
again, maybe not.

In essence, was the HIV pandemic created by a fluke accident of tribal rituals or the
'cut hunter' theory, i.e. tribal hunters in central Africa (the Belgian Congo, now Zaire) becoming exposed to
contaminated monkey blood containing SIV (Simian Imunodefficency Virus) through cuts or abrasions on themselves, or was
this tragedy 'man made' through mass inoculations in Africa of Polio vaccine which had been cultured from
monkey tissue contaminated with SIV which, when entering humans turns to HIV.

I could go on and on, but my
simple advice would be, make this the next documentary you watch, I was hooked from beginning to end. One of its
strengths is the way it puts across all the evidence supporting its key theories in a very matter-of-fact, understated
way, hence avoiding slipping into the dangerous arena of 'sensationalist journalism'. It's enthralling,
intelligent and, as one may imagine, deeply disturbing. It's a film, I believe, that should be seen by as many
people as possible. So why haven't the more mainstream channels picked this up?. Maybe 'who's wearing
what' on the Oscars red carpet is still deemed far more important.
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Haunting and powerful
Ken Hodnett14 March 2005
I have
seen this documentary several times and have studied the question of the origin of the AIDS epidemic for many years. I
thought it was actually being conservative for what it could have presented as relevant or in support of Hoopers'
theory. 

It was riveting to actually see and hear members of the team that made the vaccine in question speak
about their experiences and reveal little known evidence about its production. I was shocked at the statement of one
famous vaccinologist when asked about its production.

I found myself saying 'Oh my God' at other
evidence shown but only briefly touched upon. I think that if you know enough about the subject before seeing this
documentary you will likely not view the pandemic and those affected as you did before. Especially, when you ponder the
many implications of the evidence presented in the political climate of the times.
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In response to Mr. Fickling's Criticism
jrmarchione27
February 2005
Warning: Spoilers
With all due respect Mr. Fickling, you need to watch the documentary
again. A key factor suggested was the three-location testing of the competing polio vaccines of the day: Salk's,
Sabine's, and Kaprowski's. Salk's was used in the US, Sabine's in Russia, and Kaprowski chose to
produce and test his in the Begian Congo in Africa. The other two researchers documented use of different kinds of
monkeys, not known to carry SIV. Kaprowski SAYS he did not use chimpanzees, but the documentary does a great job of
presenting eye witnesses and documentation that suggests he is not being truthful. And the point being, it was in
chimpanzees in Africa that we found SIV, the genetic ancestor to HIV.

Then, more than a million people were
vaccinated with his product.

The documentary is presented as a theory, because there are no samples of his
vaccine left to test. But everyone who cares about this epidemic should see this film and make their own informed
decision about what really happened.
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 10/10
You have to see this if you are a human.
youaresquishy4 December 2005
This is absolutely
a must-see. Stop reading comments and go see it. When you're done, come back and read, if you are still able to.
More likely your mouth will be stuck in an open position, your body in a state of near-paralysis on the couch. This is
mind-bending stuff. 

The film is very well-executed and the presentation is objective. But it does not
carefully examine every theory as to the origin of AIDS--only the most interesting one. It makes no claim to
comprehensiveness however, and I doubt that it's fair to criticize it on that ground.

By
"interesting," I mean "horrible" and "shocking." If this theory is correct, the AIDS
epidemic could easily have been prevented. It boggles the mind and sickens the stomach to think of the millions who have
died possibly because of an event that could have easily been prevented. 

Could the AIDS epidemic be the
result of the negligence or recklessness of the greediness, or laziness, of two scientists testing a new polio vaccine
in the Belgian Congo? Did they use the wrong kind of monkey? And did they know of the severity of the risk involved in
doing so? Should they have known? The film attempts to answer these questions.

In 2005, I tried to locate a
copy for purchase, but so far the only way I know of in which to see this film is on its rare airings on the Sundance
Channel.

Response to the Reviewer Who Claims This Film Is Flawed:

He is clearly missing something
and needs to re-view the film. He's completely misunderstood the theory that is the subject of this film, and the
film presents the theory so clearly and precisely that it is difficult to understand how his misunderstanding could have
possibly taken place if this reviewer had actually seen the entire film. The film never claims that the batch of virus
used for tests in the Belgian Congo was the same as the batches used by Americans, or anyone else for that matter. This
reviewer's objection makes absolutely no sense.

In response to the same reviewer who suggests that we
should not care about the origins of AIDS, and we should focus only on what we should do about AIDS now--this is almost
too ridiculous to respond to. History is important, for many really obvious reasons. Obviously, the question of what to
do about the AIDS epidemic is also an interesting one, but it is not what this film is about. It is not fair to
criticize a film for not delving into a subject you're interested in. It's like claiming the Wizard of Oz is
flawed because there aren't enough sex scenes or gunfights. The Origins of AIDS is about the origins of AIDS. It is
not about what to do about AIDS now, and it does not, at any point, make any inkling of a claim to have tackled that
issue. 

I believe the reviewer who claims this is flawed really did not actually watch the entire film. This
may not be a perfect film, but the particular criticisms in that review are seriously flawed, and that review can safely
be ignored.
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Monkey were used
most places.
jbowmore11 June 2005
This documentary was very well done, and argued its case very well. I would
like to have seen more on the genetics behind HIV and the known versions of SIV, but there are, apparently, not that
many samples of SIV from the region, and new wildlife protection laws make it difficult to get more.

However... One of the other comments here asked why HIV did not appear early in the US if all vaccines were prepared
using chimps. The documentary makes it clear that:

1) Most of the polio vaccines were prepared in a monkey
serum. 2) Only the OPV used in the Congo was prepared using chimp serum, and it is from chimp SIV that we got HIV. Now
there are some that claim SIV became HIV through hunting, but the OPV theory seems much more plausible.

As
for why it's important to know about this now... We are still using animal serums for vaccines. We could use
artificial serum, but it is more costly.
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Kaprowski
Kubrick7-29 March 2005
Warning: Spoilers
Well, honestly, leaving the evidence
aside for a moment (even though I tend to agree with the premise of of the film) they intimate / imply several times
that Kaprowski isn't being forthright or honest. I have to say that if someone was accusing me of creating HIV I
probably wouldn't be so forthcoming with them either.

Otherwise I think the film did a great job of
making a good case that the vaccine in question was the vector by which SIV made its jump to HIV. The other interviews
with forthcoming lab techs from that era are compelling evidence that Kaprowski isn't being 100% truthful, or at
least wasn't 100% aware of what was going on.

One deficency that I would have liked to have cleared up
was the bit about when the first documented case of HIV / AIDS was reported. The documentary claims that it was after
the start of the use of the oral vaccine, then it says that the academy reviewing the hypothesis said the first case was
in the 20s or 30s. Finally they just dismiss this claim. I think it would have been much more...convincing had they been
able to present more credible evidence regarding the origin of AIDS, perhaps a follow-up documentary can present a
fuller image of the history before delving into the events in the Congo in the late 50s.
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Chiling connecting of the dots story about the
possible birth of AIDS
dbborroughs11 June 2006
This is a careful step by step look at the probability that
AIDS started as a disease in chimps and crossed over man in polio vaccine in the late 1950's in Africa. It begins
with a story in Rolling Stone back in the late 80's or early 90's that was crucified in the scientific
community not because it wasn't possible, rather because it named the wrong monkeys used and attacked a pillar of
the research community and then moves on from there to later investigations on the subject which show very clearly that
the race to cure polio may have made us the target of something worse. Using the words of those involved as well as the
papers and documentary films from the time this is a chilling look at how science can go really wrong and how scientists
will circle the wagons to protect one of their own, even in the face of evidence that something is afoot.

I
like the calm and unsensational connecting of the dots that is used to lay out the case keeping everything on a level
playing field, even at the end where the film makers say flat out that short of ever coming upon a sample of the drug
from that time we will never know if this is a source of the HIV/AIDS virus. However there is enough circumstantial
evidence to make you reasonably sure that they have gotten things right. (an interesting note is the quoted exchange of
letters between competing scientists where one warns that the other that his vaccine appears to be contaminated with an
unknown and here to fore never seen before virus, a warning that was completely dismissed).

See this movie
since it will open your mind.
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10/10
Fascinating Documentary on the Origins of AIDS (SIDA)
John Colang22 December 2006
Warning:
Spoilers
This excellent documentary proposes a hypothesis that primate kidney tissue substrates were used to
incubate and propagate polio vaccines. The researchers did not seek approval from the W.H.O. to make this vaccine and no
research notes were kept. The hypothesis that the filmmakers used was that a Primate Virus was also present with the
Polio vaccine. More than 1 million people were innoculated with this vaccine. The Lindi research center also very
inhumanely captured and destroyed over 600 chimpanzees, whose kidneys they harvested using no anesthesia. Because this
happened in the late 50's early 60's many of the research scientists are now deceased. The scientific
community tried to claim there was no truth to the accusations but they were never able to produce a sample vaccine that
they claimed was used back then. A VERY thought provoking and compelling film that I highly recommend. I was deeply
saddened by both the treatment of the innocent animals and by the cavalier approach of the researchers to endanger the
lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent people who didn't have the ability to refuse the inoculation. This film
is a must see and I have rated it a 10. I think additional research is needed and further studies should be done.
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 8/10
A convincing, though
incomplete case
shamus young17 June 2005
Warning: Spoilers
This documentary presents the argument
that journalist Edward Hooper makes in his book "The River", that SIV became HIV through a widespread oral
polio vaccine (OPV) trial in the Belgian Congo in the late 1950s. OPV is made using tissue cultured primate cells.
Generally these are from the organs of Asian monkeys not so closely related to humans as African primates. Even using
distant relatives to Humans, the possible oncogenic virus SV-40 contaminated OPV and infected people.

This
movie argues that Hillary Koprowski oversaw a field trial that used chimp organs as the basis for OPV production.
Koprowski denies that claim, and has produced a vial of the same lot that he says was used in the vaccine trial, that is
SIV-free. The movie counter-argues that those lots were used as seeds for local production of OPV, in chimp cells. The
film backs up the claim with records of chimp capture and sacrifice, and interviews with lab techs that say that they
harvested the organs for tissue culture, saw it being performed, and even labeled the product as "vaccine".

The movie also chronicles how the scientific community has stonewalled the people who have supported this
hypothesis about the origin of AIDS, when the "bush meat" argument seems less likely.

A talking
head says that it was unlikely that Koprowski shipped the gallons of OPV overseas. That should be easy to check. Even if
the documentation was sketchy back then, it should be easy to tell, from notebooks and animal handling records, if
Koprowski was producing millions of doses of OPV in the US, or if he was producing thousands of vials of seed virus for
local production in the Congo. For all the minutiae of chimp handling in the Congo, I'm disappointed in the lack of
investigation on the US side, and that's the film's biggest flaw, the one that makes it seem the most
one-sided. 

It's a thought-proving documentary now showing on Sundance, and you should check it out.

Kubrick 7-2, in an earlier comment, wanted to know when the earliest case of HIV was reported. To the best of my
knowledge, it was in 1959, from the Congo. The 1930s date of the origin of AIDS was, I believe, based on the known
mutation rate of HIV and the divergence from the strains of SIV thought to be the ancestors of HIV-1. The film claims
that hypothesis is being challenged.

jbowmore notes that we are still using animal serum for vaccines, though
there is an artificial answer. I don't know the full details of modern OPV production, but they are surely tested
for non-OPV viral presence, and are likely not grown from primary primate cell lines (i.e. ground up organs) but from
immortal cell lines. So much safer than in the late 50s. A recombinant vaccine, which the movie suggests, is not
guaranteed to work and would be very expensive to develop. The Salk vaccine is closer to a recombinant vaccine, and it
was replaced by the OPV in large part because the OPV conferred better immunity.
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The Chimpanzee Holocaust
eurydice-230 June 2006
It
is bad enough for the irresponsibility of Science to create a plague that will devastate a species, but it is even worse
when the priests of this Church of Science feel it is morally defensible to use man's closest living relative. the
Chimpanzee, as a laboratory victim, and to systematically destroy these creatures in Death Camps, far from the scrutiny
of society.

This movie represents far more than the excesses that Science will go to; the kind of Science
that was practiced in the Nazi Death Camps.

This movie represents nothing less than a Chimpanzee
Holocaust.

These scientists should be brought to trial. Science itself must stand before the tribunal of
History. I have recorded a DVD of this film. I have found it unavailable for purchase on DVD. The Scientific and
Pharmaceutical Community and their army of lawyers are keeping it from the public as much as they can.

DVD
recordings can easily be burnt onto VHS, or so I've heard. Someone should do that.

I welcome discussion
at [email protected]
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Interesting
Michael_Elliott28 February 2008
Origins of AIDS, The (2003) 

*** (out of 4) 

Thought provoking documentary that tries to link monkey's used to fight polio in Africa with the outbreak of
AIDS. I remember when the original article in Rolling Stone brought this subject up and I also remember a lot of
scientists blowing the theory out of the water but this documentary does a great job at showing how some might believe
that the disease got started as a cure against polio. I read somewhere that this theory has been proved wrong since this
documentary was released but I'm not certain on that. As for this film, there's a lot of deep and rich detail
given on the history of the disease and what was going on in Africa during the time of the polio outbreak. I'm not
sure where the truth lies but this is a fascinating documentary either way.
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World AIDS Day
lastliberal1 December 2007
In a small
recognition of World AIDS Day, I spent some time watching this outstanding documentary about the origin of the
disease.

There is no debate as to where and when HIV-1 originated, but there has been some discussion as to
exactly how.

Was it naturally occurring, or did we somehow do it ourselves? This film answers that question
and leaves little doubt as to the origin of these terrible disease.

The answer will certainly surprise you
and cause you to wonder about the way we are all treated as guinea pigs in the name of science and profits.
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Questions Regarding the Origin
of Aids
moviegoingcat11 December 2006
Warning: Spoilers
This is basically an excellent
documentary. It is certainly the case that it shows that the scientists lied about their vaccine. However, that does not
mean that this is what caused the epidemic to begin. One question is how it is that the native nurses or laboratory
assistants who took care of the chimpanzees and operated on them and did autopsies on them...did not themselves get
AIDS. Did they have a special immunity? You have to consider that although the sure way to get AIDS is through injection
or transfusion, it is also the case that close contact with blood is extremely dangerous. I somehow doubt that they were
dressed in space suits when they worked on the Chimps. I will assume that the non-natives involved had the Salk vaccine
before embarking on their project. At any rate you can have a group of Nazis involved in something, but they might not
have caused what you think they did. I think it would be a good idea to start compiling reliable data on all the medical
and biological research done in Africa from 1920 through 1978. It would also be a good idea to get better data on
substances used by native witch doctors in those areas in which AIDS first surfaced.

What the film shows
about the use of the chimpanzees is about as horrifying as most of us can imagine. You literally see the life being
taken out of the living chimpanzees whose organs are being removed. That's enough to make anyone consider that
medical science needs to be rebuilt on new foundations.
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HIV origin proven,100%.
stefanpad7 August 2009
The polio vaccine in 1957 Congo ,did
start the HIV epidemic..This is proved in the epic novel..(The River by Edward Hooper) It is a fine piece of work and
1000 pages long..I defy anyone to read this book and not be 100% sure..You will get plenty of dis- information on this
subject and it will be junk science, gibberish..This is because an experimental vaccine was used on Africans who
didn't even suffer from polio..The "bleach' virus was a western problem...Which brings us to the reality
,and why this is covered up in the west..For a village in the Congo to get an outbreak of polio.,a well job was
undertaken..That this was population control is certain as many,many elites want de-population in a way I cant describe
here.... A group of elites met in Holland 1954 ,the bandenberg group,3 years later comes HIV....In 1978,21 years later a
hep B vaccine in new york started the American contagion,also pop control against gays ans drug addict..Now order that
book online as it is hidden from the general public and see for yourself .
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